the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. It will go off. It completely wraps the pistol in hard plastic so there is no chance of anything flexing into the trigger guard. IOWs, pathetic sheeple. I dont know how high Id have to go to get it to ignite, but I figure Im never going to carry my piece 8+ off the floor, (seeing as how thats the height of most ceilings). I appendix carry my 42 chambered, the holster covers the trigger so I feel safe carrying this way, I been carrying this way for a while without issue. Old model Ruger Blackhawks which have not been converted should be carried with the hammer down on an empty chamber, just like Colt SAAs and other vintage and replica SA revolvers. Um, Smith & Wesson doesnt use a transfer bar, they use a hammer block. . If I was gona carry an empty gun Id carry a full sized 1911, that way if I had to throw it at somebody it would weigh enough to hurt when it him them. The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. Id rather they stop production than change a design thats gone on unchanged for as long as it has. In some cases it's not legal. Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. So yes, its completely safe. they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. The round wouldnt even need to be in a chamber at all. So the trigger pull is utterly irrelevant *if* you are paying attention to your firearm which you should be doing, again, with *any* firearm. If you are a dumb person who cannot immediately see why it is dumb, go to Youtube and watch dumb people like you dying in a hail of bullets while they struggle with the slides on their unchambered guns. As I mentioned elsewhere here, the trigger pull and safety mechanism are irrelevant to the *proximate* cause of any Glock discharge Im aware of. Youd figure Colt would have gotten with the program by now and made the SAA with a transfer bar. Subscribe and receive the latest information on GLOCK products and more. One was carrying a single action revolver without a transfer bar safety in a holster, and one under the hammer. If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. Even though they don't have . For 1911s, the danger is similar if you carry hammer down on a loaded chamber though I dont know why any somewhat intelligent person would do so. I have a CCW and am carrying the Glock in a Galco Stow-n-Go IWB holster. I can raise and lower the bolt slowly in complete silence. Despite its . I find the whole thing absurd and literally every firearm expert agrees with me. Various firearms but could go to dagger, spear, sword and buckler, longsword, or smallsword if for some reason one of those seemed like a good idea. You'll want to train yourself one way or the other. Anything is possible, which is why the smart move is to play to the best probabilities. Absolutely. Again, carrying with an empty chamber isnt wrong, but it just isnt quite right. While carrying or holstering? Youll probably die trying to get your semi-auto back into battery after attempting a contact shot anyway. Sad, isnt it? THAT is a significant, even dangerous, error to be stating as fact. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. If gravity provides the inertia instead of the firearm, then the problem wont arise unless the gun is moving towards the ground, and then stops. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? When I go hunting, I carry my Remington 700, bolt action rifle with the striker discharged on an empty chamber. I have four. What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun, Mad says, What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun. Its part of being human. OH NO! A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. He grew up hunting, fishing, and trapping. OFC, most people would rather just follow the herd, but that isnt reasonable, logical, nor wise. You just have to scroll down to it. In war or a defensive situation, that will get you killed. Whats the controversy? I have four (4) SA revolvers. Never mind the others. So F_____g what? That being said, I also carry a M&P 9mm with one in the chamber. Knowing how impossible that is, Im NOT one of those. These Glocks have been beat to death and not once has the gun " fired " without some sort of trigger manipulation. Also, that gun will then give you a second try at any round that fails to fire the first time. Its like arguing Android is better than iOS. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. I help equip people with knowledge and skills so they can be safe and effective with firearms. this aint Dodge city and you aint Bill Hickok Blam, Blam,Blam! When it didnt open the first time, your brain clicked again to make sure, often without one even knowing they did so. That photo of the safe is cute, if completely patronizing to those who make the kids argument. A little background: When Israel was founded, "drop safe" firearms were not as common as today and the fledgling state had a mixed bag . Your family is worth it. Always eith one in the chamber, hammer down and safety off. They do have a half cock notch that you could use to carry on a loaded chamber, but theres a reason they say, Dont go off half-cocked. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. I carry "Mexican" and don't want to end up like Plaxico Burress. All of that seemed a bit verbose for a blog comment, though. Since the pin must have considerable energy to fire the primer charge, and then must expend that energy quickly through a sudden stop, it really doesnt matter, because the available object to provide the sudden deceleration needed to drive the pin into the round is almost certainly going to be the ground, and the round must be in line with the inertia, which, if provided by gravity instead of the firearm itself, must be downwards. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. Smh. All that said, training, knowledge of your firearms design/function, and practice go a long way to make any firearm safe to carry with a round chambered though some designs are better for a particular purpose. Youll likely only be in one or two gunfights at most, in an entire lifetime. Open range is a good movie and as far as the other guys standing there in real life its called shock value I did love the the fact Costners six shooter magically self loaded. you are correct. I could be ELI2016 if I wanted to. Other sites have no problem getting notifications to work NOW. The Glock 17M and Glock 19X are two designs with Gen 5 features. Its just not for me, especially as I get into my golden years. I have no issue using any of my Glocks as a SD gun, nor do I have any issue using any of my 1911s, any of my revolvers, or any of my other guns. But my Glock has an empty chamber. If all you do at the range is stand there at the bench, pick up your gun, lock the slide, insert the magazine, and press the slide stop to send the slide forward, then get on target to shoot, you're not training yourself right. this aint 1902 with a Colt .38 Long primitive revolver and you probably aint riding a horse in pursuit of cattle thieves. But now at my age I know me and I know my weapons and youll be gambling with your life if you engage me thinking you know whether there is one in the chamber. What kind of a moron thought THAT was a good idea? ended up in the guys nostril, and he still didnt get quiet, until he heard the cocking of the hammer. And my Ruger .357. Some of these points were deliberately avoided for reasons Ill get into. Off the top of my head, I dont remember actually seeing that, but in The Shootist, John Wayne does mention it. IMO, anyway. Glock likewise provides a slimline design, which integrates features from the Gen 3 and Gen 5 Glock guns. For instance, you have Rugers Blackhawk and Vaquero models, Heritage Manufacturings Rough Rider series, replicas made by Pietta, Uberti and Cimarron and so on. An old retired civil servant who used to clean toilets in a federal building living off a small pension and social security. Farago sells out, the site gets taken over by snowflakes who spend every minute lining up sponsored content, and the content section gets taken over by trolls and vlads. It comes down to your comfort, training and repetitive use. They DID make a variant with one (the Colt Cowboy) but they dont offer it anymore and the SAA is sold sans transfer bar. I now carry without it, with one in the pipe. Ho Hum, Well written Or even sex. 1 of 2 Go to page. I used one of those saf-t blocks that can be pushed out of the trigger real easy. Most learn it in the third grade, so how scary hard can it be? I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. Nor with his next, more significant error, suggesting that floating or inertial firing pin guns (like a 1911) ARE drop safe with a round in the chamber, even though all such firearms with a round in the chamber WILL fire if dropped on their muzzle? Sometimes I ask a question. The innovative design of the hybrid steel-polymer slide chambered in our first .22 caliber round provides a lightweight and low recoil functionality for optimal control. Agreement. Some folks in the comments section raised objections, as they are often wont to do. There are also the safety concerns . Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either. Glocks, Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Barretta, and many other makes are safe to carry chambered, They have . That is a good point that I have never heard before. That may be true but it is also irrelevant, since the *actual* cause of the negligent discharge is*negligence. Just go to there web site, or go to your gun store for more information. Glockster20. This would require the grip safety to be disabled (a somewhat common modification) or to malfunction. Too big, to heavy although I can cock the hammer on the draw with no problem (passive firing pin models). Ammoland was intelligent enough to allow only one person to use a name at a time. More : Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a . If you 're considering a Glock handgun, make sure you have an armorer or gunsmith install it before trying to customize it. Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. It is generally safe to carry a Glock with a round in the chamber, as long as the user follows proper handling and safety protocols. YouTube it. Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. U.S. We can put a bullet thru the eye of a bunny sitting still but its hard to get a head shot when its running, us being the bunny. You should always carry with a round chambered. Glock originally designed the gun with an exposed hammer and their marketing agent said are you joking no one in their right mind would buy such an unsafe weapon because they can see that the hammer is cocked back. I notice that you had to go look it up though. Its common for someone to quickly raise a gun and try to shoot, just to realize the safety was in the on position keeping it from working. you would do well to keep in mind that some people dont carry with a round in the chamber not because theyre so afraid or lack of training but because simply of where they live and the laws that exist there if they did they would be constantly administratively chambering and unchambering a round throughout their day while doing so in their vehicle The problem is not with the Glock trigger, the problem is a lack of training on the part of the operator. Cycling against objects using your sight is slow and not easily done. Glocks are completely safe handguns even though they dont have external safety. I think they heard how bad its getting over here and want to provide a better place to be, so that TTAG will be left with nothing but trolls and snowflakes. I usually carry chambered with a revolver or my .25 but the trigger on my new Glock 19 is so easy I am not yet comfortable carrying chambered because there is no manual safety. In the case of a fast draw in a conflict, you dont have time to check, but you still have time to keep your finger out of the trigger guard. Every day. Carry your GLOCK pistol chambered without worry, the same as every other modern striker fired pistol on the market. Itll never come out to get cleaned, the retention will never fail, the gun will never fall out when you unbelt to take a crap in other words you dont make mistakes. Second, they also trained. Obviously carrying concealed greatly reduces the odds of your gun being taken, but that doesnt mean that precautions arent in order. So I traded it. Personally, I have several, ranging from BP revolvers to modern SA and DA revolvers & semi-auto pistols, to rifles and shotguns. I've never been to the range with you and I know . How often do you train your driving abilities?. In a SA revolver, the next round is instantly available anyway, whether fully loaded or one short, quicker out of the leather for the first, second, and third shot than any other existing action type. If you don't just pick ONE, then IMO you are always going to wonder if you're chambered or no. Risk vs benefit should ALWAYS be a part of this decision. Glock 17. Does the gun have a firing block mechanism. What youre proposing is more, Are glocks, or other strikers without safeties, truly safe?. Usually for at least an hour or so. And I do not carry them ever. Those who scream that everybody who doesnt think exactly like them, pick the same options as them, etc., are dumb for not recognizing that they are perfection itself, are just more of the loads of SJW types out for attention by putting everything and everybody down, to make themselves feel a bit better about not having a life. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. As if every act of negligence is a deliberate act. Is it a lot of work to train to the level where you never get it wrong? The Glock 19 pistol was initially produced in 1988. I dont expect hardware (or software) to compensate for a persons stupidity, as opposed to the opinion of many other people who think it should. I thought I counted 17 in the battle scene in Open Range. Jordan Buck is an outdoor writer, a man of faith, and a family man. In order to fire, the pin needs to be hit hard enough to continue forward, past the point of contact with the hammer, and then into the primer. That doesnt mean you can ever fool around with one. I got rid of that one, I didnt really need it, but now, sigh, I wish I had it back. Now getting older, I have trouble with body positions for competitions, so I dont enter very many club competitions anymore. On a range or match gun, OFC, my choice is different. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? OFC, there are those that only want to own one gun. Barnum should have said, There is a Moron born every minute so I guess I will have to say it for him. Did dad work for a local Florida PD not to be named? From someone that ignorant, nothing he says or does would surprise me. Heres a link to it. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! The idea behind the floating firing pin is that if the firing pin is heavy enough, but made too short to actually be driven into the primer by the hammer, then when the hammer drops, the pin will be struck hard enough to give the pin enough of its own inertia to fire the round, yet then rebound to the rear. His response could be ro shoot you with your gun. B.D. It's not like TV where you always have time to rack a slide. No external safey, DA trigger that goes bang when you pull it.. On the other hand, most other striker-fired pistols count on the recoil spring to cock the striker. Some of the biggest mistakes happen when training at sex. I wouldnt have or carry any with a non hot pipe, but thats just me. There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. To sum up: there were a few objections to my original post that, on their face, had some truth to them. To chamber or not to chamber? And yes, I have done trigger work on 2 of my 3 Glocks. You need to load the gun, aim and fire while under stress in the event that you actually need to use it. @ mark s: +1 here. The Israelis do it because they had to come up with a training procedure that worked for all their soldiers, including those that dont know which is the end that goes bang. It's a small handgun that is easy to carry, chambered for a very powerful cartridge, and priced so a working man can easily afford it. Only, dumb guys wouldnt understand that. They are built using the patented Safe Action System which prevents unintentional firing. OFC, in an experiment such as DGs above, we have to have that case in some sort of chamber, to hold the round in perfect position in line with the front of the firing pin while some other device provides the inertia to fire. Are you my mother? Im not a big believer in the the bad guy will just take your gun and use it against you school of thought. Even pistols with no manual safety, like this Glock, are safe to carry with a round chambered. Normally, empty chamber carry adds an average of maybe 2/10ths of a second. Trigger Safety. True dat. Just that for most every use, there are other choices that are better. Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. If you were to compile a list of incidents of the GLOCK ND and start reading through them, youll find that in virtually every single instance, human error was the culprit. Perhaps you could write one yourself even. A 1911 or single-action pistol in Condition 1 is comparable to a striker-fired, safe-action pistol, like a Glock, which is always in a semi-cocked condition when a round is in the chamber anyway. Keep your finger off of it and your should be good to go. Carry it in your home in the holster you're going to use in public, without a round in the chamber, but with the striker in the ready position or "cocked" and see if you have an issue with the trigger being pulled. You can get a lockbox for $50 or less from Amazon or from most hardware stores. I thing Mossad guys are well trained, just saying. I have no problem carrying chambered but around the house or at the park I do not. Many competition shooters boast about having it done to their race gun. My bedside gun is always a DA revolver. Or a DA/SA auto. Want to vent about something? Check out this post which is one of the most popular of all time. BTW.. Glocks have a 5.5lbs trigger pull so I doubt it will discharge from your love handle rubbing on it. I wouldnt worry about it. Let's talk about wh. It is also the choice of many Canadian cops services. None of those things make any difference at all. Almost as good as a ball peen hammer. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. I find myself walking around with my hips thrust foward, flinching away from the gun. PS: There was a 12 yo kid recently that subdued an attacker with a common socket wrench after Dad missed 39 times with a pistol. The most obvious one is we have an external safety. An officer was chasing a man down a stairwell with his pistol drawn and the man was shot, but apparently, he was not actually a criminal. On one of those occurances, my snubbie bbl. Perfect analogy. Since its a bookmark and not a save, it will go there and update to the latest info. If the pin has enough mass, it will fire the round, chambered or not, hammer blocked or not, trigger pulled or not, out-of-battery safeties, etc. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. Not having a bullet in the chamber would make a discharge in the holster impossible. The are a couple videos out there showing issues with holsters (kydex included) where bending or twisting caused a discharge. Agreed. DA/SA make the most sense to me. Safe wise, I like the Homak #584 4 digit/code safe. Unfortunately, the safety is on the wrong side of the slide for me so I dont use it. Which, of course, is why its better to keep your self-defense gun be it a concealed carry pistol or home defense gun or whatever with a round in the chamber. Said every one of the people who later came to suffer from glock leg. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_5',119,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');The danger comes from dangerous gun handling and not following safe gun handling rules. After all people driving cars kill more people than people holding firearms. Introduced in 2012, the Shield is thinner and lighter than the M&P Compact and features an improved trigger. Your local police do exactly that. Think about Her all you Geniuses that sing the siren song of the Utopian world of Glock. Much longer than a Glock, twice as heavy as a Glock. This subject is DOA just like the OP. Mine, of course, is in the latter, and it's held up well to a lot of shooting. Police departments across the country mocked the NYPD for their accusations and understood that its both trigger happy officers and training issues that lead to problems like that.Glocks two-part trigger is one piece of their internal safety features. Sound off in the comments. Let the flaming begin, No flame. Seattle is like a miniature version from a driving perspective. I carry a single action 1911. Lets face cold hard facts the more chances you take the more likely you will run out of luck, usually much sooner than later. So whats up? Its an unnatural, metallic noise that spooked him instantly, and I missed the snap shot at a running target, and he was gone. Cruiser ready generally refers to a gun that has a loaded magazine but an empty chamber. On paper? When you thumb the hammer back for the first shot, it only rotates 1/12th or the way around instead of 1/6th. Hell you pour sand down MY ass crack and I'll jam up and and fail to extract Ive carried different glocks with a round chambered in iwb/owb holsters and never had a problem with it. A admit, these days are different a 3 grand safe, that folks have to go look up the damn combo to, or wake up with a shadow looking at them in a dark bedroom and try to get to a box hopefully in reach without getting halfway up out of bed. Stop buying Glocks. I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. as for being out in public goes if somebody gets the drop on me with a knife or firearm at super close range i figure that im only going to be 50/50 on that anyway Carrying this way isn't for everybody though. Have you ever tried carrying your bolt action on a loaded round with the striker down?

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