Then theres the fact that the branches of the military have put the P320 design through their own batteries of testing and found it duty worthy. How about something more relevant. Where is this lightning striking twice? But the reality is that the military has been using the Sig P320 for almost 5 years and they show no signs of changing. They've also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. SIG P320s were just the start and the P365 isnt far behind. I agree. This highly trained Fibbie was doing flips while dancing (breakdancing? At rest, cocked, it may very well have enough oomph to set some primers off. This gun had been voluntary upgraded. Sig Sauer Inc. has agreed to settle a class-action lawsuit over its P320 pistol, on which the Army 's Modular Handgun System is based. LOL! Good thing you werent serious, thatd be terr..uh.oops. So park the Cops suck cause they aint gunfighters! bull**it. This is what happens when you go with the lowest bidder. That took a lot. Dude, your story is THREE years old. Weird how that might happen. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. Thats just myopic brand lust on parade. The probable reason that some folks are saying that the P320 is unsafe is that there was a lawsuit filed in federal court in July of 2020 (Guay v. Sig Sauer) alleging that the 320 fired "un-commanded" without a trigger pull while in a holster. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. Grow up, you aint all that! The Government mandated it to be made more safe to use and was. And yes, if I pulled some of those stunts, Id have my membership revoked. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. BTW it was HK that made the first polymer gun, Glock actually stole the idea for the G17 from them. I think making guns easy to shoot has gone too far. The weapons are currently on the shelf and the soldiers have returned to using their older model SIG P226s. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. Im not even sure I would do that with my 92 or something else that can be both decocked and locked. ABC ran their story on the P320 twice, but with some significant differences between the two reports. hate to tell you this but most lawnmowers with the handle bar stop get tied down. LOL! I dont know nothing about Sigs, I do know any gunm that goes off when I lay it on a table gets sold with a warning and I never touch that brand or model again. Ditto; that's what i was getting at earlier Bear007 Custom Aug 25, 2021 #18 Miraculously, no one was hit by the bullet, which ricocheted around inside the vehicle. I sold that pistol when I got it back. The claimed mode of failure was that the tab on the drop safety that interferes with the striker movement had been sheered off and stopped being a drop safety. Everyone remember the video of the DEA agent shooting himself while explaining that he was highly qualified to carry a gun? Great job, this threat needed some levity! All polymer guns are cheap, cheap, cheap to make, thats why I threw the Taurus name into the mix. Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? Both companies, instead, took to pro-gun industry forums to offer a rebuttal, giving no opportunity to answer questions. Theyre the only product that is not. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. RKC, the first time someone presented me with a 1911 whose trigger rivaled my Pythons single action, I started wondering about that. , 54 people all shooting themselves. in Capitalvania. BAM. . I didnt even touch it! The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. He probably had a double until it was over. It provides another example of how the gun free zone purportedly keeps people safe by not only keeping guns away, but by requiring more discharges nearby. The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. Likewise, having a finger in the trigger-guard, or a clothing draw-string, or a retention strap, or some other object, when holstering the gun exonerates the maker, as the gun is firing with a trigger press of sufficient energy and stroke as designed. Is it? Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. Many gun makers have had issues with drop firing, unintended discharge, bad safeties This is a resource I compiled of semi-auto pistols that have been recalled or Upgraded for Safety related problems like Drop Firing, Safeties that Malfunction, Risk of Accidental Discharge, etc. Sig P320 discharge while holstered. The P320 should be scrapped and SIG Sauer USA should redesign a new pistol around the striker firing mechanism instead of just retrofitting a hammer fired pistol (P250). And as far as Special Forces go, SF going to Glock has been documented as a bean counters solution to save money. The problem was strikers. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. TAMPA, Fla., July 27, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- A 30-year veteran law enforcement officer with the Tampa Police Department (TPD) today filed a lawsuit against Sig Sauer, Inc., the maker of his. At the risk of sounding superstitious lets review Sigs latest turd pistol. ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade. U.S. lawsuits Who knows. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. While good firearms training and practices among law enforcement officers is certainly the case much of the time, weve seen far too many instances over the years of un-safe or downright dangerous practices by allegedly highly trained individuals to apply that kind of blanket endorsement to all cops or alphabet agency employees. Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. The trigger bar has to push up on it, for it to release. Maybe in South America a poor military did, but thatd be about it. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. 3. brakes, remember? Glocks biggest problem is they havent innovated since 1985. . With the redesign, you would have to implement a LOT of force to move the trigger backwards. I also have a manual safety. 1:07. The hype leading up to the P365 was pretty intense and the LGS sold a bunch of those. Its pathetic how often these legal stunts work. This is this same company that couldnt build their own freaking rifles after multiple attempts (Sig SG550 series) when that rifle had been made in Switzerland for years without issue. I went to an outdoor public range with a local SWAT entry team leader. Bravo. never got into the P320 It is to me a Range gun not a carry gun. Such being the case, there very well may BE in inherent design flaw in the gun; We shouldnt just cast the thought aside as being beyond consideration and insist on blaming the problem on operator error.. The company didnt want to comment on any specific pending litigation for obvious reasons. I agree that Glock is sitting on their laurels and has been for decades. Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when its pointed at an extremity? Sig P320 Accidental Discharge 2021 Perhaps nothing speaks more clearly to the need for a total recall than the fact that in 2021, over four years after Sig Sauer offered its voluntary upgrade, people are still suffering injuries and lawsuits continue to be filed. Wont last!. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. So I give a ton of credit to Shatner for reading the reality of what it was and in essence, saving it. Slowly people are realizing they arent the only ones having issues. It has nothing to do with Glock. This leads me to conclude that the problem is not the gear but the moron using it. In a world of "innovative" guns, this truly is an innovated design and a step in the right direction for the future of pistols. He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. Sig Sauer P320 (Christine Peterson/TNS) February 22, 2021 Ryan Morgan Gunmaker Sig Sauer is facing a new lawsuit from a U.S. federal agent who claims his holstered P320 pistol discharged without him pulling the trigger and struck him in his upper right hip. It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. The thing I hate is getting kicked around! TidalWave Professional Aug 25, 2021 #17 Bassbob said: Somehow I seriously doubt the guns just shot themselves. Sig Sauer's headquarters are located in New Hampshire at Pease International Tradeport. The drop-bang thing only happened at a very narrow event window, it was only once the Internet doom-preachers figured out that narrow window and did it over and over online did it appear to be a thing. Sig adapted and changed the pistol sufficiently to prevent even that issue. That focus drifts. They didnt see a problem at all and in fact, saw it as an upgrade over Glock. Sound familiar? Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. Id read that for TMP, they got NASA to help in the design of the refit Enterprise. How many times does a pistol have to malfunction before you blame it? The list is long proving gun manufactures were well aware of this problem now for 121 years yet they abandoned this when the Glock infested the gun market. First, clearing a loaded firearm with a finger over the muzzle doesnt exhibit even cursory adherence to the Four Rules. I call b-s on all these my gun magically went off. That said, I own multiple P320s, but all of them have the manual safety due to personal preference. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. Its also interesting that theres apparently no corresponding flood of civilian lawsuits against SIG with similar claims of guns going off, even though the public owns far more P320s than do law enforcement agencies. Im more of a DS9 guy. The Glock fails on both counts. His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). Plastic crap! You couldnt ask questions. 1) The p320 doesnt hold the striker fully to the rear. They admitted their problem and fixed it. Hey, Im sitting here staring at my P320, waiting for it to go bang! Sig makes a damn fine weapon and theres nothing wrong with it. So are dumb(or arrogant) cops. The suit also cites other occurrences of "un-commanded" discharges with the 320 while holstered. Fair enough. Would you? To put it simply, they are expensive cheaply made junk. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. This is the goal of those who would disarm us at the Post Office, as we take little Yevgeniy or little Shaquina to school, as we fulfill our civic responsibilities as jurors to judge our peers, as we travel to and through less free jurisdictions. No picture for me. Wheee!!. Companies stay silent Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? In 1974 if you bought a Colt 1911, you left the gun store and then immediately took it to your favorite gunsmith and said Make it work it with Super-Vels, please. You cant get away with that today. Being highly trained doesnt eliminate stupidity. Its also beyond debate that current production Sig quality is drastically inferior to what it once was, particularly the German made pieces. On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. As a result, the P320s were withdrawn from service, leaving the JTF-2 with their older P226s. Then after just three years without telling anyone they stopped all production including extra parts. -You plan on getting rid of your P320, great! Without a loser pays tort system, such abuse will go on and on. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). But breaking news here, skippy. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. He is acting as a consultant in the Collette suit that was filed last week. These suits allege that their ultra-popular P320 pistol can fire without the trigger being pulled. The bullet struck a soldier in the leg. Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! So the tally goes against the surrounding area, not against the gun free zone. The U.S. manufacturer went a step further in its statement Friday, stating without evidence or attribution, that the timing of the article was intended to undercut its chances in the federal governments upcoming bid to replace all of the handguns in both the military and RCMP. And those are exactly the kinds of plaintiffs who happen to make up the vast majority of the lawsuits filed against SIG. They cant even make claim to doing a twice a year qual. The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan Period. Sig fanboys are almost as bad as Glock fanboys. Bagnell said he thinks the discharges are due to both design and manufacturing flaws on SIGs part. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. Ever since the internet went mainstream I have read about the Sigs decline. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. If this were a car, a phone, a refrigerator, it would have been recalled long ago. I used to laugh at his bragging about how skilled he was with a weapon.. Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves.. There was no holster involved. Theres just too much other paraphernalia bouncing around in there. Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging By Tom Knighton | 11:30 AM on October 30, 2021 AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast Several years ago, there was an issue discovered with the. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. There were a lot of changes. Sigs are crap! Heres the version that ran Tuesday morning during the networks Good Morning America program . Profits over reliability and you end up with junk. Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer and injured a director with a prop gun on the set of the film "Rust" and the distraught actor repeatedly asked afterwards why he . I could care but that came at the expense of reliability and safety. First I have no problem with the Mk 25 or any other Sig thats metal. If its not legal momentum, it would have to be some other mechanism of failure.. We will respect the ongoing investigation and will not offer further comment at this time, Bineau said. This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin! But SIG Sauer said it has rectified the issue with upgrades, including one made for the U.S. military which court documents, filed as part of one of the lawsuits, show resulted in substantial changes to the weapons internal design. But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! TTAG talked to SIG Sauer about the P320 suits and the ABC reports. In June, Cambridge police Lt. Thomas Ahern filed suit, accusing Sig Sauer of selling a dangerously defective product after his P320 fired on its own while he was in the department's SWAT team van with six other officers. Like many of our readers, weve been watching the slow drip, drip, drip of lawsuits accumulate over the past couple of years against SIG Sauer. Its the expert who gets caught up in the routine and stops paying attention. I still own them all. The military is much smarter and no, the gun is not junk. I guess none got her the attention she wanted and a national coverage so she went in for the bang. Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Yaaay! The Milwaukee Police Department reports "multiple unexplained accidental discharges" of the Sig Sauer P320 9mm, a gun all officers are required to carry, making for more than 1,600 firearms. My gun just went off! There are a few examples, I admitS&Ws M&P from around 2014 were near junk and I wouldnt have bothered to own one as a trotline weight, but apparently S&W had righted that ship since then. This reminds me of when Gretchen Carlson sued Fox News for sexual harassment and she got 20 million dollars. SIG Sauer, a German weapons maker with its U.S. headquarters in Newington, N.H., issued a statement Friday in response to a CBC News report earlier this week that revealed the Nov. 5, 2020, incident and the fact the weapon, the SIG P320, had been withdrawn from service while the military conducts an investigation. The fact is that the plaintiffs will get paid regardless of who did what. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM They didnt have to, but did. On the other hand, would we also condemn him for violating Rule 2 if the bullet had travelled through his outside wall, entered the adjacent house, and killed a resident thereof, or would we maybe, just maybe, place some blame on the manufacturer who created the pistol? Liberal, Conservative. Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. Again, these are examples the plaintiff in this case is using to support his claim that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. SIG ultimately settled that lawsuit. Its just dumb enough to sound like the plot to a damned Disney film. The linkage isnt, but the way the striker leg and sear face mate up, the two materials being MIM castings, the small camming action, etc. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong holster: SIG Sauer First, keep in mind that allegations made in lawsuits are not statements of fact. They are plaintiffs versions of what they say happened. But I hope Sig fights it until the bitterest of ends. Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix. Either one could have been a gun or a Barbie. Yes, its reliable, but no more so than most other major brands well known models. ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. SIG is choosing to litigate their problems away. The claim basically boils down to the notion that in normal, unconcerning operation, a foreign body entered the striker body. Thread starter ut755ln; Start date Oct 19, 2022; Forums. At least the Lion roars when he is hungry, the C.E.O smiles at you and when you turn your back he puts a knife right into it. Search Texas Statutes. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. congrats. The new Tauruses have a good rep, far better then the P320 or P365. Face it, you paid far too much for a plastic gun. Thats why NY demanded the NY Trigger be installed on Glocks before theyd buy them. 2. No, it doesnt. Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. Thats the same. Contacted late Friday, a spokeswoman for special forces said the investigation is still ongoing and would not confirm the companys findings. Use a proper holster and follow other gun safety protocols. Thats the American system at work in all its corrupt majesty. He takes your wallet and car and leaves the SIG. It has been flawless so far. The new Kirk does suck. That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. The investigation revealed the use of an incorrect holster not designed for a [SIG] P320, said the statement, which was released Friday and posted to a U.S. online pro-industry publication, Soldier Systems. No you haters are not smarter than the US military, who tested the P320 far more than your favorite YouTuber ever did. No the devil went down to Georgia to learn how to play a fiddle. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. D. 1.A rush to market, and as usual the blind greed of the gun companies who no longer test pistols before marketing them think it is cheaper (so the idiots think) to let the public test them. I know off body carry is a recipe for disaster. Is there any major military anywhere that ever issued one of their guns? L. LRRifleman . Get a dead trigger when the striker breaks. Have you ever put a handgun down with your palm in front of the muzzle? This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. So if, say, a person was to accidentally get shot through no fault of their own and need to sue, which specific cartridge/appendage combo would yield the most favorable least pain/permanent-damage : highest-payout ratio?

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