Im not buying the fact that they just werent equipped to handle an investigation of this magnitude. He took an undocumented deer trail and evaded the encountering of any individual upon his departure. People are saying this is a coincidence, but apparently LE does not believe it is coincidental. However, we presently lack evidence that Mr. X worked at Indiana Packers. The release of the search warrant comes several months after Indiana State Police announced that they were investigating a fake online profile called anthony_shots in connection to the case. I noticed your nice comment on my YouTube page, thank you so much for your reply! Relationship with older daughter and stepson: Unknown. I dont care what anybodys age is. DELPHI, Ind. Five years ago today, in Delphi, Ind., two best friends, Abigail Williams, 13, and Liberty German, 14, went missing while on a hike through the city's . All I ask is that you say that our suspect is named Mr. X, and we absolutely refuse to identify this man. She feels he is a current POI who is working OT to divert attention away from himself and mislead the public. Come on, people. She recorded them for a good six minutes and definitely longer. Senior high school: First years unknown but graduated from Delphi High School in 1984-85. 10) Regarding crime scene: Red herrings to throw off law enforcement. Richard Allen, a 50-year-old Delphi man, was arrested last month. BG must have fired his gun at some point in this crime. and that he was likely familiar with the Monon High Bridge. No, at least not in this case. R/LibbyandAbby is awful, but its a lot better than r/DelphiMurders. They just accept everyone as long as you say youre straight. And if not, where were they were found? Dont listen to those idiots on Reddit! Thank you! Your critiques are not even making sense. Thats why he has those Packers boots on. She mentions how the search parties on the 13th had a hard time finding the girls because they didnt think the were looking for bodies but alive girls and she says additionally, also they were partially covered. What does that mean? Becky Patty: Obviously theyre not accusing her of the homicides! He saved society a lot of money by eating a bullet, freeing up some fresh air and making the world the tiniest bit of a better place. I would like to email this , as it is not particularly relevant to the comments on this page. Underwear, possible two pairs, was found in the river. We now have search party members who saw the crime scene; official case documents; the testimony of Leigh Kerr, a man who claims to have seen official case documents; accurate crime scene photos; and the best LE sources we have ever had. Police found the girls lifeless bodies a short distance from the bridge the following day, near a trail close to the bridge. There would have to be some sort of connection to Mr. X for me to suspect him, and I dont see any as of yet other than odd behavior in searching for the girls. So I would definitely hang the jury and let Mr. X walk, and in all probability, BG would be free to walk the streets again. This Feb. 13, 2017, file photo released by the Indiana State Police shows a man walking along the trail system in Delphi, Ind., authorities say is the suspect in the killings of two teenage girls. Cops have told us more than they told any of those guardians. Are you speculating? I am thinking that maybe which ever one was pregnant may not have known. His home was searched and he was arrested shortly after the killings, but he was released and never charged. I am not revealing the name of the main suspect here and will only refer to him as Mr. X. I also request all commenters to also refer to him as Mr. X. I do this as a simple measure to try to protect his identity. The act of leaving a victim's body in an unusual position is a conscious criminal action by an offender to thwart an investigation, shock the finder and investigators of the crime scene, or give perverted pleasure to the killer. No, LK is the real deal. Even after the girls were recovered, Mr. X stayed around through all of the media and police hubbub for the next eight hours, from 12:30 PM to 8:30 PM, so his truck was out at the crime scene for 26 full hours, with Mr X presumably with it the entire time. Can we prove it? Wife left him. That can only mean one thing. This just doesnt bode well for him, I mean ESPECIALLY if you consider that he asked to search the Logan property and came up empty-handed. Though she cannot comment on this investigation since its ongoing, she MAY be able to offer clues. However, there was one little problem. Unverified. And he has an accomplice, a much younger man. Why say you have crime scene photos if you're not intending to share them? Shout out to anyone else who feels the same. Busy location with a diner nearby. If Libby was treated and posed differently it could indicate she was the actual target. Few of the illustrious Delphi Murders Youtubers has touched the real truth about this case as laid out in this website, probably because they are all narcissists who hate each other and hate anyone stealing their thunder. Investigators also claim Allen forced Abby and Libby down the hill to the spot where they were killed, according to the document. This is what happened. The male model whose photos were used has been identified and is not a person of interest in the case, investigators said. Hes connected to a local sex offender in the area (a friend, or family membercousin?). We also dont know what he was doing searching down there that night. This blood will probably will not come out with the wash. We have 250 members in our group. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. He was living in the Evansdale area at the time. Anyway, even if there was PIV sex, the victim would have died soon after the sex and the tiniest speck of a fetus, the size of a pencil dot on a sheet of paper, along with it. This lines up nicely with Leigh Kerrs testimony where he said that BG used binoculars in this crime. Meanwhile, Kegan Kline, an Indiana man accused of child exploitation and child pornography, says police told him he was the last person to communicate with one of the girls. I dont know if the bridge was within eyeshot of the spot where the girls were found. You mentioned that the police are allowed to lie to the public. Hey, its a capitalist country, right? Staging- by definition means they were placed/posed pre or post mortem a certain way. The probable cause affidavit did reveal that clothes belonging to the girls were found in a creek south of where their bodies were discovered. Also, there is debate, but if you look at the scanner recording of the day when the bodies were found, the local PD says "keep them away" in response to a statement re: bystanders + FBI; resulting in debate about whether local pd was trying to keep FBI away and why. Ill leave it at that. I do not believe the girls were reported missing and the FBI was immediately called in. Lists a factory as place of residence. This person was going to share the pictures regardless, they just wanted to be asked first to make themselves feel better is my guess. Are they deliberately lying to us? His favorite color is green: like the woods, like the loot. His wife has taken to social media lately, pleading with people to stop harassing them and insisting he had nothing to do with this crime. Investigators believe the man is the killer. There are signatures on the document. Mr. X was employed by Indiana Packers around 2011 or 2012. I hav followed both cases very closely. Robert, I am wondering why no reply to my question? 2 people did the actual murders and a woman behind the initial plan. Photo Page - Delphi Homicides. For information on these documents, see the special section below where their nature and provenance is explained. Unfortunately, its not free. A serial killer has a narcissistic personality and will not be able to cope with so many opinions that are different from his, such as on a forum. I tend to agree. I love true crime and listen to a bunch of podcasts and books. Thank you so much! At least two prior marriages. Robert, have you heard that Mr X had a deer blind on the Mears property? BG is a 50 year old man and the three other men are younger, age 17-26. As CrimeOnline previously reported, 13-year-old Abby and 14-year-old Libby were murdered in 2017, but the killer remains elusive. They always came home. Give it a rest, everyone. In these cases, we have 4-5 separate sources, usually vaguely referred to as inside sources, testifying to the truth of something. Mr Xs alibi is it true that the person who is now deceased is a police officer who committed suicide? He prefers whiskey, its his drink of choice and hes off without it. The crime occurred on February 13, or 2/13. Let me jump in here. With less than 3,000 residents, Delphi is a town where everyone knows one another, and the murders have greatly affected many locals. 7) Hes local. I find it interesting that you stated he told the girls that he was a railroad policeman so that audio must have been on one of the girls cell phones? Only if he had sent this much audio to one of the girls phones after the crime. But after continuing to receive these pings and after it being 5 years, I went back and decided to post as these images have since plagued me. He was also scared to join her group because I was in there and he was afraid of me. The rest are guardians. He even brought his phone in and took it apart to reveal the GPS device in it so they could look at it. And at the end, Carter says, He may even be in this room right now, (he was in fact) and then looks in the complete opposite direction of Mr. X. He could have even confessed to me, but I am still not under obligation to tell the cops. The few times Ive brought him up myself (this is really on Reddit) I have been ripped apart for my apparent stupidity. If the early rumor is true, and Abby was posed fully clothed as if asleep, it might indicate some remorse or "undoing" by the killer. They're stills from the helicopter footage during the search. Abby was the one that had the boyfriend. Daniel Nations, a registered Indiana sex-offender, was arrested in Colorado in September 2017 after threatening hikers with a hatchet. (The person from the FB post that is) their bodies were quite close to water. The guy that is making those videos about Mr X, and the guy by the name of Derek godsey. LE thinks he stashed his phone at the CPS building during the murders. Hi folks! Both my gut instinct and logic are screaming, Verify the statements of FSG!! One said hes a real nice guy and hes obviously a ladies man lol. FSG has been someone that I cannot let go of either. A transcript of what they thought was being said was agreed on by this group. The suspect has since moved back to North Carolina, and young women have begun to disappear from the trails there now. That person is probably some local creep getting revenge since those girls parents were into the same bullchit. Where his truck was parked was a five minute walk to the crime scene. Incidentally, this LE detective thinks our police sources are all real sources and thinks we are on the right trail. The girls took photos while strolling across the bridge, but as time passed and their family didnt hear from them, police were called for assistance. Allen was taken into custody and booked into the Carroll County Jail in connection with the horrific crime. Let us know if you want to join the private sleuthing site where we can talk about this stuff in much greater detail than we do out here. I thought there was more to this blog. Give it a rest, dammit! Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? You dont have LE sources. Im not sure how he got there, if he drove a car, or if so, where he parked it. So every time a kid gets killed in a sexual murder, LE goes looking for photos and videos of the murder because obviously everyone who kills a kid takes pics of it and videotapes it. Would you please email me? Have for a long time. Sex workers talk, rumours saved a lot of workers in Vancouver during Picktons reign of terror. Amazing work! I dont know about you, but when I go to a nearby town, I dont generally take my cellphone and throw it in a bunch of weeds for the five hours that I was gone, coming back to my home hours later to retrieve it from the weeds. These people are from all over the country and have expertise in all sorts of different areas. The scope of this investigation in terms of who the police think did it and how it unfolded has been dramatically narrowed. Thats very embarrassing. It was dusty and disheveled. They have also suggested that the crime scene was odd in nature. Text messages have been circulating online regarding the case, as has speculation about some of the evidence that is being kept under wraps. If a perpetrator staged the scene, they did that for their benefit. On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail "Abby" Williams and Liberty "Libby" German were discovered off a hiking trail in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. How about never? The gun failed the tests and was returned to the home. Too many opinions and he cannot control them. Knives were also found at Allen's home, according to the affidavit. When we line the two theories against each other, ours wins hands down. It has been said there were dolls and stuffed animals around the girls. It was stated that Libby was nude. We have the basic outlines of the crime sketched, and weve even filled in a lot of the blanks. Kline - who is heavy-set and pasty-faced - used an image of a ripped and muscular young man to trick underage girls into speaking to him. River searched near home of man police say posed . This GPS device showed that his phone had been at the CPS building from 12-5 on the day of the murders. Do you think an LE source might be talking to one of them or perhaps someone who knows one of them? 43 sec is probably the time they have of the man on the girls phone recording. Also, you develop better sources. This source close to the retired detective will be referred to as an LE source close to the investigation. Only his hands, particularly focused on his bloody, sausage-like knuckles, could be seen with a caption that read after the brawl.. No charges have been issued against Miller in relation to the Delphi case. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing.. John Miller, 63, was arrested in 2018 for the 1988 cold-case rape and murder of 8-year-old April Tinsley. But they didnt get to ask him about PB. Sorry, Ive been a bit down lately. https://beyondhighbrow.com/2019/09/20/support-beyond-highbrow/. Again, not saying that he did it. Five years later, Abigail Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were taken into custody Friday five years after Allen, 50, was found dead on a hiking trail in Delphi, Indiana, in February 2017. She still hasnt been able to process this, assuming such a thing can ever be processed. You will see below where we regard certain things as Proven. Then email me and and I will give you the link and password and I will also let you into the new forum where you can set up your own name and password. Yes, I know. Did the girls have wet clothes where they were found? It is unclear whether they were referring to Allen or not. Of course we don't know how the bodies were found and if they were posed or staged, we only know that the crime scene was unbelievable disturbing and horrible. Thanks again for the interesting and jaw dropping article!!! He has a prosthetic foot due to diabetes, and no way could he high-tail it across that bridge. There is no way he would come back later to stage anything because he wouldnt know how safe it was or how many law enforcement would be around. Seeing as there were multiple signatures left at the scene, I'm inclined to believe the killer(s) both posed the bodies and staged the crime scene. He concurred that a high error rate is normal early in the investigation and he also said that by 4-5 years later, you may well get a much clearer picture of the crime. When investigators got that device, they found that many files had been deleted and social media apps uninstalled. We dont know if or when he worked for them before or after. They all go off and do their own work. We have almost no information about the cause of death or what the crime scene looked like. To be fair, two other men were also searching Rons land that night and they didnt find anything either, so it looks like those girls were pretty hard to miss. Specifically, we are getting much of the the following information straight from the cops themselves. And my ban appeal didnt work either. For instance, if LE have a suspect, and they have a partial present in 10% of the population, this is one more bit of evidence that might point towards them having the right guy. 'Libby' German, 14, left, and her 13-year-old best friend Abigail 'Abby' Williams were murdered outside Delphi, Indiana on Feb. 13, 2017. The unusual position concepts of posing and staging a murder victim hav Allen, a 50-year-old Delphi man, was arrested last month. They even try to cure effeminate gay men and let them back in the churches as long as they say theyre cured of homosexuality. I want you to know that your comment is no longer there. Then come email me and I will send you a link to the private group and a password to get you in. A blogger/sleuthed named Robert Lindsay supposedly has one on his site, there's a camera flashing on it. After posting a few updates on Snapchat in the early afternoon hours, the girls were not seen or heard from again. The knife in the log was located near the girls right shoulder. In fact just based on what I have going on, researching this case is the absolute last thing I should be doing, but its drawing me in, and I cant help it. They were folded on her chest. A sheet with a smiley face on it at the crime scene, possibly hung from a tree. Until then, the enemies will keep attacking. No Im just a mechanic in Boston Mass. Mr Kline allegedly told investigators he would use social media accounts to talk to underage girls and had exchanged messages with and received about 100 sexual photos and about 20 sexually explicit videos from around 15 underage girls. They are black and white and do mention some aspects of how they died. No one knows if they talked to Ron about Mr. X. I doubt it because Ron keeps saying the killer is this Garrett Kirts, and its not him. However, the other three have only peripheral involvement and may have committed no crime! If one of the girls was pregnant, was the pregnancy a result of intercourse with Mr X? For more than five years, the families of the two girls have been searching for answers as to what happened and who was responsible for their murders. A previous report noted, in stunning news, that the killer had known Libby for 3-4 months before the murders via social media. I live in Pennsylvania and have been interested in this case since the time it happened. I 100% agree about Mr X, and I recently seen a pic of his stepson which I think looks similar to the YBG sketch. But we know that binoculars were used in this crime because we have search warrants and binoculars are one of the things that are listed on the search warrants. Photo: Courtesy Mike and Becky Patty. [43] Libby's grandmother, Becky, makes a deal with the girls. They recovered Libbys phone, so they wouldnt still be looking for the audio/video. Nevertheless, as you can see above, three things that we spotted in the crime scene photos have been verified by independent sources in the search party, so the fact that these are crime scene photos is now proven. These are mostly hate sites. They have most recently stated that they want to avoid double jeopardy. ? thats tough luck usually)I agree with him that it was probably Logan that gave the cops details on Kirts to get out of the clink The cops say the killer made a mistakeI bet it was probably something left behind in one of Logans barns or shacks. I could be completely off base and change my mind tomorrow. BTW whats up with all the psychic stuff? Granted, we dont have any evidence that this is true other than Leigh Kerrs statements. For five years, the murders of 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German have hung over Delphi, ghosts that couldn't be put to rest. This was posted within a Facebook group and the poster stated that it was fine to share with other groups. Sometimes victims are posed as a signature as if to say when I do this again you will recognize my handy work and give me the credit although we have no evidence to suggest there was any posing at all. We believe he staged the crime with these elaborate props either before or after the crime from this exact location. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IIoxYhsduLQ, Protected: Post to Discuss All of the Various POIs and Theories in the Delphi Murders from the Crime to the Present, Protected to Avoid Libel and Character Assassination Part 10, Alt Left: This Is Almost Certainly the Single Most Inexplicable Series of Geopolitical Blunders in Recorded History, Alt Left: Add Iran to That Sino-Russian Alliance While You Are at It, NATO Helped the Ukrainians Fire All Those Drones at Russia, Including all the Way to Moscow, The Conquest of Germany and Japan Never Ended, The Conquest and Destruction of Russia Project Goes Way Back to Post World War 2, The Jewish Conspiracy To Subject Humankind. Keep in mind that we are not claiming that anything listed below as Unverified is true, although some it has a good chance of being true. Aaron Keller May 17th, 2022, 8:19 pm. Im sure that was a LOL feeling for him. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. He was arrested on charges of child sexual abuse images and child exploitation tied to the account and admitted to grooming underage girls online. Killer May Have 'Moved and Staged' Delphi Murder Victims' Bodies and Done Something to 'Memorialize the Crime Scene': Warrants. Stupid, stupid, stupid. My background is nowhere near close to any qualifications for this. Its true by process of elimination. There is endless silly speculation in the comments about BG I think BG was a teenagerWhat if BG escaped on a hand glider?What if BG is dead?What if BG escaped to a deserted island where he now renamed himself Lord Jim and is now king of the savages?What if BG is really a woman in drag?What if BG is Mafia hitman?Bla bla bla bla.. As this continues to be an active and ongoing investigation, the Indiana State Police will continue to provide any and all resources available to assist in the prosecution of this case.". We reported them one year before it came out in the media that they were all true. One problem was we went down the rabbit hole chasing the wrong guy for a couple of years. Many people from the Delphi area have gone over to went over to Evansdale to work on plants over there. And if it was 43 seconds, it would be on Libbys phone! A 50-year-old suspect, identified as Richard Allen, has been arrested at the Carroll County Jail in connection with the murders of Abigail Williams and Libby German, whose bodies were found near the Delphi Historic Trail shortly after being reported missing in February . Sometimes there are deliberate injuries to the mouth, including bullet wounds, as a sign that someone "talked.". My money is on an edged weapon. Paul, I know exactly what videos you are talking about on YouTube. Do have any knowledge the workers from Indiana who were transferred over there in 2011-2012, which plant they came from Indiana and which plant they came to work on in Evansdale? According to Leaker, this is correct. This seems to be one of the motives for the homicide. The state has to prove it. People are saying that we have a copy of the gag order that was issued on the towing of the truck at the CPS building. Phallic objects, specifically a log and a doll, placed next and perpendicular to the genitals of the girls to give the impression that they were being sexually penetrated by these objects. Days later the State of Indiana issues him a lifetime concealed carry permit signed by Superintendent Doug Carter. Employed at two factories in nearby towns as a machine operator in recent years. Hes a greedy businessman with dollar signs in fluttering eyes that sound like clanging cash registers every time he blinks. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. Have you been in contact with her at all? The police have put a .40-caliber weapon into the case," Garrett said. But after reading all of this my personal opinion I think 3 people are involved. Ok how on Earth do they know that BG shot 43 seconds of audio unless that rumor about sending the crime film to the phones is true? Some of this confusion is probably natural, since the the whole B family has gone underground. I dont know what these names mean. I dont see a motive for Mr. X either, and he did live right there. Just thought I would steel you for that thought. Two young girls disappear off of an extraordinarily dangerous bridge in the middle of the day when they had plans to be picked up at a specific time? Our error rate at the moment is probably under 50% and quite possibly lower, even much lower. You said parent, so that gives me a clue. So you try to make it look like theres an accident. . I dont know if its in a garage, or the shed, perhaps? James Chadwell, 43, was added as a suspect in 2021 after he was arrested and convicted for luring a nine-year-old girl to his home where he sexually assaulted and strangled her in his basement,20 miles from where Abby and Libby were murdered. It turns out that BGs shoes are dead perfect matches for Indiana Packers workboots. Delphi eighth-graders Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were killed on Feb. 13, 2017 while walking on a local hiking trail. The Delphi Murders: Four years later Libby & Abby's killer is still out there. Detectives said that after the photo was taken, a man approached the girls and apparently told them to go down the hill.. We sent him off to dig into Mr. X. Try harder. You came over here after sitting over of that hate Reddit, LibbyandAbby where youve been hating on me. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges. movements and events. We think people need to stop talking about DNA. He killed at least five people, specializing in young women. Its very rare for killers to take photos or videos of their crimes. Victim was an 8-12 year old female. Remember how all these Youtubers trashed Leigh Kerr? Ive seen some FB exchanges from BP where like you say, she appears to be defending Mr X or at least in denial that he could be a suspect. The boots appear to be Indiana Packers boots.

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