Besson 900 Besson 1000 Besson 1010 or 10-10 Besson 1020 or 10-20 Besson 1110 or 11-10 And the most infamous of all is the “BESSONS” rip-off name applied to fake brass instruments made in India and sold cheap on Ebay. Kanstul Besson Trumpets Besson 609 This was a “student” line instrument that outplays most any student instrument on the market, and are as good as some pro instruments. They usually had “ Kanstul” stamped on them somewhere or a small Kanstul “K” logo. Kanstul Meha Serial Numbers. Serial Number 102601 circa 1934-49. The Besson International is the one model that has an uncertain pedigree. BESSON Bâ™­TRUMPET MEHA Late Model Made 1950 S/N:101394 [SHIBUYA_EAST] C $4,272.78. Vtg French Besson Brevete BFSSON & Co. PROTOTYPE Carl Fischer TRUMPET Proteano. We believe the valves have been rebuilt at one point. Fast & Free shipping on many items! Leadpipes The French Besson Stamm models came with aftermarket leadpipes – made by for Najoom by M/K drawing. A short demo of a slightly modified Besson 2-20 Trumpet. Kanstul has until recently kept the tradition of the Vintage Besson trumpets alive, and introduced some fine new models. Top Rated Seller Top Rated Seller. This is an early Kanstul-made Besson Meha. Your best bet is to contact Buffet-Crampon for these Bessons, or just rely on the identification info. Pre-Owned. Besson Trumpets Besson International This model is a real sleeper. These trumpets are real sleepers. She thought it was fairly new (it's in great shape), but I immediately suspected that it was probably quite old so I had her show me the serial number which she had never bothered to look at. 4. 1952 90000 Feb. 1953 100000 Oct. 1953 150000 Aug. 1955 200000 Nov. 1956 250000 Jul. The International, Classic, and Stamm models are as good as any other pro level instrument by Bach or Yamaha, and the 609 and similar are great as a starter or backup instrument (or even your number one trumpet). With such a large number of models and long history it can be confusing to figure out which Besson or French Besson instrument you are looking at, if it was Kanstul made, how good it is, and how much it might be worth. The Indian made ones do appear to be good instruments anyway. Seems to be a difficult thing to pin down, After several attempts over the past months (whew), your question spurred me to give it another shot. There are usually one or two Internationals on Ebay at any one time as they are fairly common. Hi, I have a French Besson Meha trumpet, serial number 16898. My old roommate who sold it to me claimed it was 'one of the last Bessons to come off the line from the original(?) There are still French Besson Meha and Brevete trumpets available new, with some called the “New Generation” model. “Meha " was the name of Madame Besson's granddaughter and that is … In time the secret will get out Besson and French Besson Trumpets NOT made by Kanstul Besson and French Besson trumpets have at various times been made in France, London, USA ( Kanstul) and only recently in India. Your inputs is highly appreciated. Since we know that all Classic, Stamm, Meha, and Brevete models are Kanstul made there is no need to check their serial numbers. Kanstul's @2002; new leadpipe. This site is primarily about the modern Kanstul made French Besson and Besson trumpets. 06300012. £949.55. £18.34 postage. This is a very rough generalisation. Top Rated Seller Top Rated Seller. Can anyone tell me how old is this trumpet? If you see a 6 digit or longer serial number on a French Besson trumpet I’m guessing that it is not a Kanstul French Besson, but the 609 and similar models may have long serial numbers. http://www.vintagetrumpets.com/meha.shtml. 1966 600000 Jun. Besson 609 Bb Trumpet. It's a great time to upgrade your home music studio gear with the largest selection at eBay.com. 1958 300000 Sep. 1959 350000 Jun. A: This model Besson C trumpet (sometimes referred to as the Besson Meha C) shipped with three mouthpipes, each marked with a two-digit number to distinguish them from one another. According to the B&H catalog the A bell is from a modified 229 mandrel and the B bell is from a modified 239 mandrel. In other B&H literature the B bell on the French Besson Classic C corresponds to the Bach 239 bell and the A, to the 229. Here is a silver Besson Meha Bb Trumpet. Plays dark in tone, and has some similarities to the Olds Ambassador. Time left 6h 8m left. The Besson Brevete was a very popular choice for generations of Jazz trumpeters, and was played at various times by artists like Miles Davis, Rafael Mendez (the Olds Mendez was basically a copy of his old Brevete), Lee Morgan, and Fats Navarro. 0 bids. Thank you in advance. Kanstul Made Besson and French Besson Trumpets The Kanstul made French Besson and Besson trumpets are universally excellent instruments. For information on all Meha and Brevete trumpets go to. 1960 400000 Mar. The Kanstul made ones are INCREDIBLE value on the used market and often sell on Ebay for $200-$250, always in silver plate. 1971 800000 Jun. The prewar Mehas (approximately serial number 90,000 and prior) are considered more collectible, although both prewar and postwar are eagerly sought after from a playing perspective. Besson Kanstul made trumpets Kanstul makes great trumpets that sell for premium prices. I’m guessing the change happened in around 2000. When I had the gap set properly on my Stamm Besson (by replacing the receiver with one supplied by Gary Radtke of GR mouthpieces) there was a noticeable but small improvement in the trumpet. I just bought a trumpet, a Besson & Co. London W.C.2 with Serial number H 75987. The Model 1070 is something like a Besson Meha that Claude Gordon would have liked. Don’t panic about the gap. Tone is rich and a little on the bright side compared to a Bach 37, but is a very versatile all-around horn. Many non- Kanstul Bessons have 6 digit serial numbers or longer. Don’t get me wrong, these non- Kanstul Bessons are all good trumpets, just not as good as the comparable Kanstul ones. From Japan. In general people that have played the Stamm Besson consider the A model to be somewhat similar to a Bach 72 with lightweight bell (though maybe it should be considered closer to a Bach 65, but the Bach 65 is so rare most have never played one), and the B model somewhat similar to a Bach 43 with lightweight bell. According to the Bach loyalist the 229 bell is similar to a 43 bell, and the 239 is similar to a 65 bell (which is a dark, symphonic style bell). Originally marketed as an “intermediate” model it is intermediate in name only. In early 2008 Ferguson Music took delivery of some newly made Kanstul 709 trumpets which seem to be the same instrument. I do not know if these are Kanstul made or not, but I have my suspicions. A number showing the position of an item in a series, esp. Year Paris London Trombones 1858 001 1869 001 9695 1870 6 677 1875 17600 751 1876 0 849 1877 948 1878 1038 1879 0 1091 1880 1881 1882 0 1374 1883 1884 0 1657 1885 1886 1887 2 2293 1888 1889 5 2752 1890 1891 1892 1893 1894 41 4234 1895 1896 9000 1909 0 1912 9950 1914 1 1 1 1 01 1935 1 1 741116 From 1954, use the Boosey &Hawkes list year London 1986 744000 Last official number? At that time, unfortunately, a change in production at Kanstul required that the sequence be discontinued. On Ebay it pays to check out EVERY silver plated Besson trumpet to see if it is the International, which is usually stamped on the bell. Brass instruments Serial Number Yea Adams Musical Instruments - Experience the Sound of Quality For the money you can’t beat these, especially the ones in silver plate. Model numbers include: Besson 609 Besson 709 Besson 809 Besson 909 French Besson International French Besson Meha French Besson Brevete French Besson Classic French Besson “ Stamm” If you see “ London” anywhere on the instrument it is NOT Kanstul made. 2003 B&H sell out to The Music Group 2005 (December) Buffet Crampon acquired Besson. Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:18 pm Post subject: Kanstul Besson MEHA serial number question Hello to all, I have a Kanstul made Besson MEHA in Bb with a very low serial number. There is a model called Besson International BE800 trumpet. Kanstul have confirmed that that still make these for Buffet-Crampon, models numbers now 160 and 162. The normal ones have leadpipes of pedigree unknown to me – they might be factory Kanstul ones, or perhaps aftermarket ones. The Internationals in particular seem to be getting more well-known, and the expect used prices have been climbing. These original French Besson trumpets are now collectors items, and command high prices. As far as I know these were old stock, but new unused instruments made by Kanstul some years ago. Bright silver plate 98 percent. Very nice & extremely old cornet / trumpet "Besson Paris" Serial number 6209! The bore is stamped on the valve cluster, and the bell type stamped on the bell tube where it meets the 1 st valve. He played these for many years and only recently (2006) changed to an artist model Yamaha trumpet made to his specifications. If you see a 6 digit or longer serial number on a French Besson trumpet I’m guessing that it is not a Kanstul French Besson , but the 609 and similar models may have long serial numbers. Thank you for the information. Serial Numbers Dating a French Besson Meha can be a real crapshoot, given the poor record keeping that occurred during and after World War II. Many non- Kanstul Bessons have 6 digit serial numbers or longer. The first digit referred to the mandrel – either the no. Prices indicated are rough estimates only, based on a limited survey of recent Ebay auction sales. Kanstul 1000 Trumpet Review. Fortunately they choose top US maker Kanstul to design and produce the line, and Kanstul faithfully recreated the original horns, and many new models too. Student New Standard 110 Bb Student New Standard 111 Bb Student Student 100XL Trumpet Bb Student Performance Trumpet Bb 5, RUE MAURICE BERTEAUX - 78711 MANTES-LA-VILLE - FRANCE Instruments Mine is s/n 103361 and according to the aforementioned websites was manufactured in 1917. The original F Besson trumpets are said to have been the inspiration for the now professional standard Bach designs, and this is Kanstul's re-release of their take on the classic F. Besson designs. I also have an Eterna Getzen (silver) cornet, serial number EC 735, purchased used in 2007. Unfortunately they were out of production. At this price they are much better value than a used Bach Strad, and are an excellent choice for the orchestral or classical musician. or Best Offer. For information on all Meha and Brevete trumpets go to. The French Besson Classic comes with a Najoom leadpipe. Adjusting it can tweak the trumpet performance a bit. Kanstul records of the French Besson are better, although for 4 digit serial numbers they overlapped with other brass lines, for example the same serial number could be on a French Besson trumpet, a mellophone, and a custom Callet trumpet. One picture I have seen looks different to known Kanstul F. Besson Internationals, and have an adjustable 3 rd slide pull instead of the fixed ring (well, assuming it is the correct picture). Besson Meha and Brevete ( Kanstul made) Plenty of these around if you know where to look. Also, where can i get a cork to replace the water thight seal on the top of the valves. Free shipping. Besson Meha and Brevete – New Generation A more recent design with a Najoom leadpipe and modified bell and are Kanstul made. Apparently only the model numbers changed. The International is the trickiest to identify as some are Kanstul made and some are not. The .470 bore French Besson " Meha " ( the .460 bore Besson being the French Besson Brevete' ) were developed right after World War II around '48 and started around the magic 92,000 serial number point. one printed on paper currency or on a … We can recognise your devices to provide you with personalised experiences and advertisements about the devices you use. A post on TH from a trumpet pro shop noted that the French Besson International was VERY similar to the Kanstul CCT900, only lacking the reverse leadpipe. I also have a Besson flugel with a question. Incredible quality- these horns are like buying a new production of the original horns made 50-60 years ago- without the problems of an old horn. Now i have a question to add into this thread. Bach trumpets were inspired (or copied) from early Besson trumpets, and most modern trumpets closely follow the same pattern. Mar 27, 2013 - special order, with a special serial number. The price on the Internationals seems to have been creeping up and it is now hard to find them under $300. Another source for information on Besson is the. The horn is in absolute mint condition, and I'm confused. In 1981, Zigmant Kanstul founded Kanstul Musical Instruments, building fine brasswinds both under his own name and for venerable marques like F. But the story didn’t start there. Boosey and Hawkes became part of The Music Group and was then sold to Buffet Crampon, and Kanstul still makes the Stamm and Classic models for Buffet Crampon. This page addresses this gap. I was guessing prewar, but I didn't imagine it could possibly be from the 1870's. All have 1 st slide saddles and usually in silver plate. The serial number is 488. If you are looking for a used starter instrument or backup trumpet these are the best value for money at the moment, and I respectfully suggest that the Olds Ambassador should be passed over, and similar used Yamaha or Bach models also. Thanks for all those people that contributed to the discussions. C $1,272.73. Any trumpets with ‘ London’ stamped on it is not Kanstul made. These Kanstul made horns are beautifully made and play as well as the originals, without all the issues of 50+ year old instruments. The Najoom reverse leadpipe Stamm models have Najoom receivers which are built over-tight with the intention that the player will have it reamed out to give optimal mouthpiece/ leadpipe gap or use a mouthpiece with a smallish shank diameter. If you find any errors or have better information then please email me (email on main BE page) The information presented was the best available at the time. This is a seriously good leadpipe and would be a $150-$250 upgrade on a Bach trumpet. The Kanstul made ones would usually have “ USA”, or “ Kanstul” or the Kanstul “K” mark stamped on them somewhere, sometimes the bell. A shop can adjust the receiver gap for a small fee, or you can get a mouthpiece shank adjusted or custom made if you want to get the gap optimal. Any body know of a place on the web that documents the age of these horns? None of the outside appearance can stop how nice this horn plays! Besson never stopped production in England, and still makes Brass Band instruments there, many of which are excellent instruments. Is that really right? The Besson 609 ranges in price from about $75 to around $300, depending on the specs and condition, though $150 is typical for a lacquer one in very good condition. One correspondent said the tone was more suited to chamber music than heavy symphonic playing, but that is often down to the player. Olds Serial Numbers Serial # Date 73000 Mar. Used Goods Besson Be1000 Adjusted 25. All Stamm and Classic models are Kanstul made, and are still being made. It is not listed on the current Besson website. Any French Besson or F. Besson is either a vintage one made in France (or possibly London, though will be labelled as such), or a modern Kanstul version. serial numbers (serial number) Number used chiefly on paper money and sometimes on limited-issue medals to indicate order of production. This is a GREAT PLAYING Besson MEHA by Kanstul Bb trumpet. The Besson Meha was also a very popular choice, being a brighter horn more suitable for lead and big band playing, played by the famous Conrad Gozzo and others. The original F Besson trumpets are said to have been the inspiration for the now professional standard Bach designs, and this is Kanstul's re-release of their take on the classic F. Besson designs. Unfortunately they were out of production for decades until. I suggest you either leave this model alone or make sure it has the Kanstul or USA markings. Silver plate finish. The serial number of 90652 suggests that it was made shortly after WWII, but the serial numbers on French Bessons are a bit of a mystery, so it is possible that this is a pre-war horn. Once correspondent claims to have an F. Besson BE800 model that is Kanstul made, and Ferguson music was selling a Kanstul 800 model in early 2008, so it appears that at least some of the 800 models are Kanstul made Internationals. Serial number 101, xxx; post war. Ending 25 Jan at 6:12PM GMT 3d 17h. Some are still available at closeout prices from shops. The numbers continued consecutively to approximately 7900. Fortunately they usually don’t claim French Besson, or Meha or Brevete names so are easy to spot. They are commonly sold on Ebay for $100-$300, depending on plating and specs and condition, often in great condition for around $150. Another source … For reviews and info on all Besson models go here The best source for historical and model info on Besson brass instruments is here Besson history The Besson trumpets of the early 20 th century were the first truly modern trumpets. I wonder what something like that is worth. £22.29 postage. Schilke mouthpieces go further in as their shank is smaller and are basically OK). 0 bids. Amado-style water keys added and lyre holder removed. The prewar Mehas (approximately serial number 90,000 and prior) are considered more collectible, although both prewar and postwar are eagerly sought after from a playing perspective. This … The Meha and Brevete often sell in the $700-$1,200 range used as they are so well known (although occasionally sell for less), whereas the French Besson Classic or Stamm models generally are slow to sell and don’t reach such high prices. Many non- Kanstul Bessons have 6 digit serial numbers or longer. Some are Kanstul made, and some (more recent ones I think) made in the Besson plant in India and they are not easy to tell apart. 202 (December) B&S was purchased by and is now are part of the Buffet Group From 2006, first two digits are the year of manufacture. Only the International model is of questionable maker. See here for an article from The Music Trades magazine in 1983 (kindly supplied by Kanstul) From the early 1980s till about 1998 all French Besson trumpets were made by Kanstul, and some other Besson models also. Most modern trumpets are in fact close copies or clones of early 20 th century Besson instruments. The 92/94 models were discontinued and closed out by mail order shops at very low prices in 2005 (still a few around in some large mail order shops and some local shops). After a very short spell using Schreiber parts, all Bessons were fully made in house at the 2 facilities and continue to. Besson Trumpet Serial Numbers. The Besson Meha was also a very popular choice, being a brighter horn more suitable for lead and big band playing, played by the famous Conrad Gozzo and others. Oh Biwan, I share your questioning. 6 (ML) or the no. What is not a mystery is that this horn has been played... a lot. Learn more about our range of Trumpets. Besson” or “French Besson”. I fully expect that in time some of these trumpets will become the collectible trumpets of the 1980s and 1990s. The sounds of the greats of our trumpeting past will not be forgotten! These are set with a smaller gap to suit a Stork brand mouthpiece (which is what Marvin was playing at the time), which have a larger than usual shank diameter, so many mouthpieces may go in further than optimal, and some may bottom out. I have a friend with who bought not too long ago from someone who said it was barely used and the serial number is 16,xxx. Mannufacturing moved to France (Courtois factory in Amboise) and Germany (B&S factory in Markneukirchen). Still comfortable for adults, but also an easier reach for small players, and feels light and perfectly balanced. C- Trumpet F. Besson Meha by Kanstul Excellent condition. Players that own them love them and play them for all styles or music. Kanstul has re-made a number of other classic and vintage instruments including: The Burbank Trumpet, which is a remake of the full classic Benge trumpet line Kanstul Chicago series – a remake of some Benge trumpet models One Chicago model (1070) is very similar to the Claude Gordon Benge The Kanstul Mariachi, which is a remake of the famous Conn Connstellation All of these instruments are modern remakes faithful to the originals (and in some cases are arguably better than the originals). Copyright 2008 – Michael Camilleri. 1968 700000 Jun. Very open, characteristic Besson sound, will scream for … There are also variants with a reverse Najoom leadpipe made by M/K drawing. Most come with two tuning slides (rounded and square) and a set of normal and heavy valves cups to vary the response and sound a bit. Kanstul-Besson Loyalist Yes, another copy-cat loyalist site. Even rarer than the 709 and 809 and seldom seen. Very nice & extremely old cornet / trumpet "Besson Paris" Serial number 6209! If you find one with these markings it is Kanstul made. In the Grand Tradition of the Schilke, Bach, and Conn Loyalist pages, and with a respectful nod of the head to Olds Central, here is all you ever wanted to know about Kanstul made Besson and French Besson trumpets. There are not many of these around and they usually sell for $600-700 used in great condition. See notes on the International model. Besson 709, 809 Step up intermediate models from the 609. or Best Offer. I haven't played it yet, but she sounds very good on it. Besson 60MB KANSTUL MEHA Trumpet. I’ll assume they are Kanstul ones for now. Kanstul still makes these. There is also a C trumpet version. $1,620.00. All existing Kanstul French Besson trumpets have 3, 4 or 5 digit serial numbers (got to about 7,000 by 1998, now at around 40,000). These were produced as two different fixed bell models, the BA with the A bell, and BB with the B bell. Comes in a variety of configurations, the most common in lacquer with standard water keys and a 3 rd valve saddle, but some have Amado water keys, 1 st and 3 rd slide saddles, and some are in silver plate. Could you please give me an estimate of the replacement value. 1997 8 8 Production moved to Besson plant in Croxley Green (Watford) where Schreiber parts were briefly used (Schreiber and Besson were part of the same company). From 2006, first two digits are the year of manufacture. 1969 750000 Jun. You can hear some sound samples on Marvin’s website. or Best Offer. Bell replaced with a Besson Meha. Most aren’t reamed out so the gap is too large (depending on the mouthpieces – e.g. If you see any of these you can be confident it is a Kanstul instrument. Formed in 1837, Besson always worked with the best craftsmen and strives to put the best brass instruments into your hand. 1952 80000 Jul. These original French Besson trumpets are now collectors items, and command high prices. If your main trumpet is too bright for orchestral playing a Besson 609 is a great choice as a cheap second instrument that will do the job well. I have 2 letters from the Besson company that states serial #86249 was made in April 1924 and serial #87522/ 87663 made in June 1925. Full model numbers are: 92BA – 0.462 bore, A bell 92BB – 0.462 bore, B bell 94BA – 0.464 bore, A bell 94BB – 0.464 bore, B bell Then to confuse the issue Boosey and Hawkes changed the model numbers from 92/94 to 160/162. This is an original French Besson Meha trumpet. Was: Previous Price C $4,594.39. 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